light, the electrical box in the ceiling has 2 sets of wires running into it (both -3 wire i.e. just black, white & ground). One set comes from a switch and the other runs to an electrical outlet. When I connect the whites together and the blacks together, it trips the breaker. Is there a simple explanation?
The fan should be connected only to the switch wires. If the wire sets were previously connected, then you have a "switched outlet", in other words - an outlet that can be turned on and off by the switch. With too many things connected on that circuit, an overload would be created that would trip the breaker.
I would need to know if the wires were previously connected and if you have anything plugged into that outlet. What is the amperage of your ceiling fan and the circuit breaker?
OK, When you have a switched receptacle, only one of the outlets is controlled by the switch. Commonly this is the top one. You can test which outlet is switched by plugging the TV into each one and checking to see if the switch affects the TV. Example: if, when the TV is plugged into the top outlet, the switch will turn it on/off, then this is the one you want to have the fan connected to. Don't plug anything into that outlet or you probably will overload the circuit.
The TV may be too much on that entire circuit with the fan anyway.
To wire correctly, you need to get rid of the switched wiring situation. You can do this by replacing the receptacle with a new one and not connecting it to the switch. [In order to create a switched receptacle, a piece has to be removed or broken on the side of the outlet. Therefore, new receptacle is needed.] Connect the new receptacle with the black incoming (from panel) to the lower gold screw and the incoming white to the lower silver screw and ground to green. When you look at the receptacle, the ground/round hole is bottom. If this is the last receptacle on the circuit, no further connections are needed. If it is not the last receptacle on the circuit, please reply back for further wiring instructions.
So, when wiring your fan. Just wire the switch wires to the fan wires and forget the other wires. You can leave the other wires where they are just disconnect them at both ends - the ceiling and the outlet.
If this is too confusing, just wire the fan as you had it and don't use the outlet for anything else. But, if this is where you want your TV, then undo the switched outlet situation and separate the lighting from the outlets.
I hope this is understandable. If you have any questions or need further information, please reply back.
Please be sure your breakers for the lights and outlets are off at the panel before doing any wiring. Good luck, AndieOK, When you have a switched receptacle, only one of the outlets is controlled by the switch. Commonly this is the top one. You can test which outlet is switched by plugging the TV into each one and checking to see if the switch affects the TV. Example: if, when the TV is plugged into the top outlet, the switch will turn it on/off, then this is the one you want to have the fan connected to. Don't plug anything into that outlet or you probably will overload the circuit. The TV may be too much on that entire circuit with the fan anyway. To wire correctly, you need to get rid of the switched wiring situation. You can do this by replacing the receptacle with a new one and not connecting it to the switch. [In order to create a switched receptacle, a piece has to be removed or broken on the side of the outlet. Therefore, new receptacle is needed.] Connect the new receptacle with the black incoming (from panel) to the lower gold screw and the incoming white to the lower silver screw and ground to green. When you look at the receptacle, the ground/round hole is bottom. If this is the last receptacle on the circuit, no further connections are needed. If it is not the last receptacle on the circuit, please reply back for further wiring instructions. So, when wiring your fan. Just wire the switch wires to the fan wires and forget the other wires. You can leave the other wires where they are just disconnect them at both ends - the ceiling and the outlet. If this is too confusing, just wire the fan as you had it and don't use the outlet for anything else. But, if this is where you want your TV, then undo the switched outlet situation and separate the lighting from the outlets. I hope this is understandable. If you have any questions or need further information, please reply back. Please be sure your breakers for the lights and outlets are off at the panel before doing any wiring. Good luck, Andie
Clare, I've been thinking of a simpler way for you to solve the overloaded circuit problem. There are 2 ways to do this. 1. Unplug something from that outlet circuit and plug it in to another circuit. The leave the fan as you had it wired. 2. Wire the fan/light to a different switch. The one you are attempting to connect it to is on an outlet circuit, not a lighting circuit.
Andie Clare, I've been thinking of a simpler way for you to solve the overloaded circuit problem. There are 2 ways to do this. 1. Unplug something from that outlet circuit and plug it in to another circuit. The leave the fan as you had it wired. 2. Wire the fan/light to a different switch. The one you are attempting to connect it to is on an outlet circuit, not a lighting circuit.
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Hi Clare,
The fan should be connected only to the switch wires. If the wire sets were previously connected, then you have a "switched outlet", in other words - an outlet that can be turned on and off by the switch. With too many things connected on that circuit, an overload would be created that would trip the breaker.
I would need to know if the wires were previously connected and if you have anything plugged into that outlet. What is the amperage of your ceiling fan and the circuit breaker?
Handie Andie
OK, When you have a switched receptacle, only one of the outlets is controlled by the switch. Commonly this is the top one. You can test which outlet is switched by plugging the TV into each one and checking to see if the switch affects the TV. Example: if, when the TV is plugged into the top outlet, the switch will turn it on/off, then this is the one you want to have the fan connected to. Don't plug anything into that outlet or you probably will overload the circuit.
The TV may be too much on that entire circuit with the fan anyway.
To wire correctly, you need to get rid of the switched wiring situation. You can do this by replacing the receptacle with a new one and not connecting it to the switch. [In order to create a switched receptacle, a piece has to be removed or broken on the side of the outlet. Therefore, new receptacle is needed.] Connect the new receptacle with the black incoming (from panel) to the lower gold screw and the incoming white to the lower silver screw and ground to green. When you look at the receptacle, the ground/round hole is bottom. If this is the last receptacle on the circuit, no further connections are needed. If it is not the last receptacle on the circuit, please reply back for further wiring instructions.
So, when wiring your fan. Just wire the switch wires to the fan wires and forget the other wires.
You can leave the other wires where they are just disconnect them at both ends - the ceiling and the outlet.
If this is too confusing, just wire the fan as you had it and don't use the outlet for anything else. But, if this is where you want your TV, then undo the switched outlet situation and separate the lighting from the outlets.
I hope this is understandable. If you have any questions or need further information, please reply back.
Please be sure your breakers for the lights and outlets are off at the panel before doing any wiring.
Good luck,
Andie
Clare,
I've been thinking of a simpler way for you to solve the overloaded circuit problem.
There are 2 ways to do this.
1. Unplug something from that outlet circuit and plug it in to another circuit. The leave the fan as you had it wired.
2. Wire the fan/light to a different switch. The one you are attempting to connect it to is on an outlet circuit, not a lighting circuit.
Andie
Ive seen this before use the white and green hooked up to the power
the black is the ground
i no it sounds crazy but ill bet it works
i hope this helps you
bob